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  •    Thread focusing on the pros and cons of both systems.

    I personally am a socialist, not a Communist, a socialist. Socialist countries have longer holidays, are more atheist, have a free health service and of course actually care for the poor. Rampant capitalist countries like the US shit all over their poor whilst some people are getting 8 figure paychecks.

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#341 2011-05-23 05:44:42

          Norway    Jpreisser
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 well of course... What kind of stupid question is that?
Fascism is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists advocate the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through indoctrination, physical education, and family policy including eugenics. Fascists seek to purge forces and ideas deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration and produce their nation's rebirth based on commitment to the national community based on organic unity where individuals are bound together by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and "blood". Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong. Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the state.  wikipedia 

 

Stupid question huh? Well first things first; wikipedia is not the end-all-be-all in political definitions and fascism itself is not even a clearly defined ideology. Italians were the first fascists and though Hitler appreciated fascist policies, there are discernible differences between the two countries ideologies. Not only that, Spain was a fascist country wich does not clearly identify with the above statement.

There are traits that they share but you can apply some of those terms to various sorts of countries in the past and present. Benito Mussolini was not an overbearing racist and grudgingly enacted some of the racist laws due to political pressure. Italy`s and Germany`s economic policies were different but I do not want to argue schematics.

I will agree to Hitler being a Fascist for the sake of this debate. Fascism presented a third option in a day of political uncertainty an upheaval and personally, I like numerous things about fascism. It has been deemed a slur word nowadays but I still associate myself with being fascist.

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#342 2011-05-20 20:45:09

          Poland    tomek
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@Jpreisser well of course... What kind of stupid question is that? facepalm

quotemark1 Fascism is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists advocate the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through indoctrination, physical education, and family policy including eugenics. Fascists seek to purge forces and ideas deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration and produce their nation's rebirth based on commitment to the national community based on organic unity where individuals are bound together by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and "blood". Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong. Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the state. quotemark2 wikipedia

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#343 2011-05-20 18:51:21

          Norway    Jpreisser
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@tomek 

Was Hitler actually fascist?

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#344 2011-05-20 17:59:54

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@Jpreisser I do.

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#345 2011-05-20 17:38:24

          Norway    Jpreisser
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 @Jpreisser 
The third option is the best Fascism.
   

 

Do you have a problem with my statement?

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#346 2011-05-20 01:15:32

          United States    Snow_Dog
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@The Expert, yet you have no proof to prove me wrong.

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#347 2011-05-20 01:14:15

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@The Expert Nothing, it is called an allowance, but I don't ask for much. You aren't focusing on the argument.

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#348 2011-05-19 19:28:49

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I am not trying to dicount him as a person, I simply
am trying to point out his character since there
a lot you can tell about a person that way.

Second. There is nothing wrong with thinking but
thinking and doing are two completely different
things, especially when you have other obligations.

Third. There will always be system abusers,
the world can't get better, human nature will
always prohibit this place from getting better.

Fourth. You make on average eight dollars a
month, so naturally it doesn't concern you
tax wise as it does my twenty five dollars a
month, go live in cuba for a month and you'll
see a socialist government in action.

Just out of curiosity, but how do you make
you're two dollars a week? And how old are you?

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#349 2011-05-18 02:54:16

          United States    Snow_Dog
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@The Expert, I make about $2 a week. I am a teenager, but I at least know that the tax rate is less than 36% of your income. It doesn't all go into welfare you moron, it goes to many places, mostly our god damn military. Not everyone on welfare are system abusers, to say that is to make yourself into an arrogant, ignorant, moronic, and elitist twat.

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#350 2011-05-18 02:50:20

          United States    Snow_Dog
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@The Expert, Um, your comment has NOTHING to do with anything I said. You are trying to discount him by attacking him as a person, it doesn't matter, he still originated the idea, it is a philosophy, it is beyond him now. My point is that we have to learn the original philosophy. Also, what the fuck is wrong with reading and thinking about how to make the world a better place. Are you one of those idiots who thinks the world is the best it can be?  If you think so, you are a FOOL.

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#351 2011-05-17 21:31:57

          Russia    antonov
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@Jpreisser  

 The third option is the best Fascism. 

  facepalm

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#352 2011-05-17 21:14:22

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@Snow_Dog I'm sorry, I meant Animal Farm. How much do you
make in a week? how about the government taking 81% of
the total amount you make in a week, and then giving it to
those who take advantage of the system?

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#353 2011-05-16 16:34:30

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Socialism is about controlling every aspect of our lives, putting us in
total dependency upon 'big brother' (Orwell) and treating us as if we are infants. That isn't what I want, do you? And where has a complete socialist country worked?

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William Bradford (first governer of America) tried socialism, and guess what? He found that it limited the creativity of other because it gave them no reason to work harder than the others. And so he gave them their own plot of land instead of a communal plot, hence they got the productivity that made thanksgiving possible.

Think about that. For now, The Expert.

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#354 2011-05-15 16:41:46

          United States    Snow_Dog
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@The Expert Communism is not socialism, there has never been a TRUE socialist government. Dictatorships masquerading as socialism is not real socialism, socialism wants no classes, and a dictatorship is all about hierarchy. I am a teenager as well, I wouldn't want all of my money to be taken and given to other people. But if I had a moderate amount that could be spared to help someone who needed it more than I, I would gladly give it. Also, where in 1984 is it a communist government? It is a government riddled with totalitarianistic ways but never is it explicitly communist. I hate the Soviet Union for screwing up everyone's perspective of socialism. Marx would have hated the Soviets, we need to not think of the USSR when we talk about socialism, we need to think of Marx. And Orwell, who wrote 1984, was a Democratic SOCIALIST.

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#355 2011-05-15 16:02:49

          France    Doo Pee
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@The Expert Josef Stalin killed Those people, killing people wasn't a law of Communisim. The Russians killed them, not the Communists. applaud

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#356 2011-05-15 16:02:11

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@The Expert And what about those who live in an area where they lack sufficient education, since further education is the only way to advance
socio-economically, who wind up working minimum wage because they were not given a fair chance. They cannot make ends meet and that is what socialists are against, we are not communist, we do not want total wealth redistribution, we want to pay to educated the people born poor, not give tax breaks to people born rich, who never do a single days real work.

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#357 2011-05-15 03:20:01

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I think Democratic Capitalism as it is used in 23 European countries and 4 former very sucessfull countries that are former European colonies, (United States, Australia, New Zealand and Canada), I think that it is the best system that we have at the moment although it could be improved! Example of how it is the best. ALL of these countries have a middle class-upper class that accounts for 80% or more of their populations with only 20% or less living below the western poverty line. Communist and socialist countries are the complete opposite. They have most of their populations living at or below our poverty lines with a handfull of people controlling everything and all the resources. The few communist socialist countries that are even doing remotely as good as us are countries like China which has embraced a commercial semi free trade economy which the government mostly controlls but which lets select business men take part in. Never the less the fact that it still has communist policies and a communist government contributes to 1.1 billion Chinese living in poor country regional villages at below the western poverty line and all but a few million(the few million that are million aires or super rich) of the other 300 million living at our past era working class levels. So if you look past Chinas overall success and look a little deeper at its factual statistics you will see that it is an example of the failure of the communist system. Other communist/socialist countries are doing even worse such as vietnam, cuba and north korea(hell hole).

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#358 2011-05-15 02:04:39

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I agree whole heartedly with someguy, I'm a teenager, trying to work and make money, and it just doesn't make sense why you should take from those who worked hard for the money THEY earned, and give to those who don't
have the work ethic.

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#359 2011-05-15 01:58:53

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Josef Stalin killed millions of innocent people under a communist government. For any of you who doubt the evils of socialism and communism, read Nineteen Eighty Four.

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#360 2011-05-14 23:22:16

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@someguy While the poor suffer and no one Gives a Damn? Is it so wrong to expect the Poor to be helped when their are so many people who are rich to the point where they could never spend all their money? Capitalism is Ridiculous lmao

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